Dr. Victoria Kelly - Mental Health During COVID-19
In the first episode of The Univesity of Toledo Medical Center's podcast Prescribed Listening, Psychiatrist Dr. Victoria Kelly shares the impact the COVID-19 pandemic has left on mental health and tips to get back on track.
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Dr. Victoria Kelly

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Voiceover:
Welcome to Prescribed Listening from the University of Toledo Medical Center. Each
                     week, UTMC providers sharing insight into their medical specialty. This week, Dr.
                     Victoria Kelly.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Hello everybody. My name is Victoria Kelly, Dr. Kelly. I'm a psychiatrist in the Toledo
                     area. I'm faculty at the University of Toledo College of Medicine and Life Sciences,
                     where my department is psychiatry. I'm the Program Director, Assistant Professor and
                     Vice-Chair for Education. Some of the other things that I do besides patient care
                     is I really, really do enjoy teaching. I'm really happy to have this opportunity to
                     talk to you guys. With COVID and coronavirus and the pandemic, I mean, our lives have
                     just been turned upside down. So again, I appreciate the opportunity to talk to you
                     guys about some of the things that we've learned along the way.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
I think one of the biggest things that my patients come to me or other colleagues
                     come to me right now is we are all just over it. We are over this pandemic. We're
                     over quarantining. We're over social distancing. We're all burnt out nationwide. That's
                     what the statistics say, especially if you're in any kind of caregiving position,
                     a job or a role. We are all burnt out, so it's really important right now that before
                     we rush off into the summer and the weather's nice, that we really take our time and
                     take a beat, figure out what we learned from this pandemic and how we can move forward
                     so that we're safe about it, so that whatever changes that we implement are sustainable.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
A lot of times people ask, "How long do I have to wait? What is this next stage of
                     life? When are we ever going to get back to where we were before?" I would challenge
                     people to think about it differently because things happen to us and they change us.
                     That is the nature of life. The normal that we had before all of this, we really need
                     to kind of grieve for it and put it away because forever more, we are changed because
                     of this and society does and that's what the pandemic from the Spanish Flu, Hurricane
                     Katrina and all of these other types of things have taught us, that we learn about
                     ourselves through this process and we grow from it as we move forward.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
So whenever a patient says, "When can we get back to normal?" I say, "What normal?
                     There is no normal. Every day is what it is and what is most important is that we
                     get out of it, what we intend to and eventually that we are working towards what we
                     want to be doing with our lives." And there's no definitive answer right now for when
                     it'll be "safe" to do things once we read the reach that herd immunity from vaccinations,
                     but by all accounts, it's going to take still a while till maybe, maybe fall 2021.
                     I wanted to focus a little bit on some of the research and data that's come out this
                     year. The American Psychological Association, the CDC, even the Census Bureau, they've
                     all published a lot of good articles recently about our time in the United States
                     and its impact. There's three things that jump out that are absolutely not a surprise
                     to anybody who is going through this, but I think are very important for our health
                     and sanity for the future.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Those are weight, alcohol and stress. Let's go through those one by one. The first
                     one I wanted to talk about was weight. If you're like me, when the pandemic first
                     hit, it was a lot of video games or Netflix or board games, crochet, knitting, baking.
                     All of these things really took off as hobbies as we were all hoarding our toilet
                     paper, but really what the data shows is that about 42% of people had weight gain
                     because of this pandemic, with an average weight gain of about 29 pounds. Now, that
                     is important because a weight gain of even 11 pounds increases your risk for diabetes,
                     24 pounds increases your risk for a stroke and those are real life consequences that
                     can happen because of weight gain. If you're a parent, like I am, you know intuitively
                     that you probably had it worse than a lot of other people and that also correlates
                     with weight gain.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
I said about two in five people had weight gain, average of 29 pounds, while moms
                     averaged 66% of moms gained weight and about 80% of dads gained weight and about half
                     of us across the nation have been less physically active than you wanted to be. That
                     can have a lot of health implications, both for diabetes and cardiovascular risk.
                     However, from a mood and emotional standpoint, that's a huge impact too. One of the
                     fantastic things about exercise is that it increases something called brain derived
                     neurotrophic factor, or BDNF, which is a wonderful thing that helps fight depression,
                     so that's one of the ways that if you're feeling kind of down block burnt out, it
                     may seem like it is absolutely the last thing you want to do, go out and get some
                     exercise, but it really can help you, help your heart, help your brain.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
So for people who have struggled with weight during the pandemic, number one, it's
                     probably not a new thing, but number two, really, it's about maintaining getting track
                     of what's going on and then setting up healthy goals for you moving forward. If you
                     also happen to have an eating disorder or otherwise have an unhealthy relationship
                     with food, like binge eating or stress eating and things like that, you really need
                     to take even extra care getting this part of your life back on track. You may want
                     to work with a nutritionist or a structured program to make sure that you're doing
                     it right and not jeopardizing any other aspects of your mental health. But if you
                     want to manage your weight, the first thing is to, first of all, identify what's going
                     on. What are your actual unhealthy habits? What are your triggers to overeat? What
                     are your triggers to make poor food choices?
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Interestingly, data shows that if people are intoxicated, they make poor food choices.
                     If people are stressed, they make poor food choices. Again, not really earth shattering
                     news here, but once we know what our triggers are, that is the first step to putting
                     something into place so that we can take a little bit of control back. For people
                     who are addicted to things or have problems with substance use or shopping or things
                     like that, what you may also find is that the four typical triggers are hungry, angry,
                     lonely and tired or HALT. We've all probably grazed the fridge when we're feeling
                     a little bored, when really we just need to go to bed or we're procrastinating something.
                     So again, just identifying what your triggers are to overeat or make poor food choices
                     is really going to be a great first step.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Otherwise, one of the goals would be to at least maintain. It doesn't take much, about
                     one can of pop and one small bag of chips every day, and you'll gain about five to
                     10 pounds in a year. It's really easy to gain weight, it's not as easy to lose it.
                     The first step is to not continue to gain weight and so stay active, not overeating
                     and coming up with a realistic plan. There's a mnemonic called SMART. If you're going
                     to try to do anything, and often I talk about this with New Year's resolutions, but
                     if you're going to do anything, do it SMART. Have a goal that is specific, that's
                     what the S stands for. Measurable, Attainable, Realistic and Time-based. If you want
                     to lose weight, instead of saying, "I want to lose weight," you might want to say,
                     "I want to fit and feel healthier by being able to walk 10 minutes without being short
                     of breath," whatever it might be. Measurable, meaning you can time it. This is something
                     that you can check a box and say that you met it.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Attainable. Is this realistic? It's one thing if I've been sitting on my couch for
                     the entire pandemic not exercising, just drinking and watching TV, it will be rather
                     unrealistic of me to say, "Oh, I'm going to go run a marathon next week and I'm going
                     to lose 20 pounds next week." That's rather unhealthy. So whatever it is, be purposeful
                     about it and be mindful that we all are trying our best here. I generally recommend
                     to my patients to start small. If they're not active, just start with five minutes
                     a day, do what you can. Once you get into a healthy habit of it, increase it up to
                     tolerance and that'll help you on your way to getting where you want to be with your
                     weight.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Another thing to consider is that with healthy habits, they take on average over six
                     weeks of doing something every day for your brain to finally catch up and have that
                     new pattern going on. That's why I say it needs to be sustainable. With New Year's
                     resolutions, by far almost 80% of people give up on a New Year's resolution after
                     the first month and most common one is weight loss. So yes people, we're not dealing
                     with anything new here, but 29 pounds in an average of a year, that is a little bit
                     unique. I think another factor that's contributed is a lot of people would do things
                     socially to lose weight. They'll go to the gym with a buddy, they'll go to places
                     and do things. We got to work with what we have. As we segue into the summer where
                     there's more outdoor activities, it might be a little easier to. All right.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
The next thing is alcohol. If we look at what the business people say happened in
                     2020, was that the rates of alcohol purchases skyrocketed in the early months of the
                     pandemic. Everything was kind of snatched up. What this recent data shows from January,
                     2021, is that overall about one in four adults reported drinking alcohol more during
                     this time in order to cope with stress. Once again, parents had it worse. For parents,
                     about a one in two, so 52% of parents with kids ages five to seven found themselves
                     drinking more. Often the question I get with that is, "Well, what's the harm?" Or,
                     "I just need to wind down," or, "It's been a tough day," and things like that. The
                     first question that comes up is, "All right, what's going on? What are you doing?
                     How often is it? How much is it? Is it causing you any problems?"
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
For moderate drinking, the National Institute of Drug and Alcohol Awareness says for
                     women, it's one drink a day or a binge would be considered three in a day or seven
                     in a week. Anything higher than that would be considered drinking. For men, it's two
                     drinks per day or four in a day would count as a binge or 14 in a week. That's just
                     one parameter is the quantity and frequency because people can still have drink alcohol
                     like that and not have them cause any problems for them and people can drink less
                     than that and still have it cause problems. It's not really necessarily the be all,
                     end all, but it's just one factor to consider. At its core though, alcohol use disorder,
                     what we used to call alcoholism or alcohol dependence, we now call alcohol use disorder
                     because it can be mild, moderate or severe.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
That's a chronic relapsing disorder characterized by an impaired ability to stop or
                     control use despite adverse outcomes; social, occupational, or health. It affects
                     about 6% of adults in the United States. There's short-term problems, definitely like
                     memory loss, sleep problems, having blackouts or hangovers, which, as you could tell,
                     could cause immediate consequences like not being able to go to work or do your job
                     or car accidents. There's longer-term problems. It can damage your liver, pancreas,
                     stomach, heart, brain, contribute to cancer, memory loss, cardiovascular risk factors.
                     The other thing is with alcohol use, if you drink a little bit and you're starting
                     to get that euphoria, it definitely kind of turns off the rational parts of your brain,
                     so you're way likely to be more impulsive and perhaps act on things that you wouldn't
                     otherwise do. One of the biggest things for people who have unhealthy relationships
                     with alcohol or have an alcohol use disorder is when it is being used to self-medicate.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
You're feeling upset about something and instead of talking it through or maybe going
                     for a run to burn steam off or whatever it is, you numb the feelings with alcohol.
                     Now, we may find people who do that in our lives with alcohol or video games or pornography
                     or other unhealthy type activities and that's what is the root of it? What's the relationship
                     with it and what kinds of damage is it causing? The other factors that contribute
                     to a higher risk of actually having a problem with alcohol is if you have low self
                     esteem, if you come from a lower socioeconomic status or if you have a history of
                     abuse or drinking while young or family history and genetic contribution there. If
                     you're starting to feel a little bit like I'm personally attacking you during this
                     time, as you look around and you see all the empty bottles of wine in your recycling
                     bin, please don't do that.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Officially to have an alcohol use disorder, you do have to meet criteria for that.
                     That would be two out of 11 symptoms during the past year. Those include drinking
                     more than you intended, you tried to stop drinking, but you couldn't, you spend a
                     lot of time either drinking or recovering from drinking. You feel like you can't relax,
                     you can't fall asleep or maybe you can't get your day started without a drink. You
                     get into situations that increases your chance of getting hurt or bad things happening
                     because of drinking. It causes life problems, whether it's home, school, work, wherever
                     it might be, and you continue to drink despite those problems going on. There's also
                     the physical effects of tolerance, where you have to drink more to get the same effect,
                     or withdrawal, if you stop drinking that you get the shakes, feel more anxiety and
                     you could even have hallucinations and it is considered life-threatening.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
The tolerance and withdrawal, most people think you have to be physically addicted
                     to alcohol to have a substance use disorder and that is a myth. That's only two out
                     of those potential symptoms. So again, I think the most important thing is recognizing
                     that something is going on. Having insight is the first step. If you even kind of
                     think that you might have a problem, it's probably a good idea to check in with your
                     doctor to get a reality check. You may need some blood work to make sure your liver
                     and other organs are okay. There's a wide variety of treatment options. There's inpatient,
                     outpatient, residential, detox and many community mental health centers, universities,
                     hospitals. There's plenty of different settings to get treatment. Of course, there's
                     12 step programs like AA and other recovery based organizations that are doing a lot
                     of things online.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
So even what the social distancing in effect, you can still reach out and connect
                     with someone to get the support that you need to be successful in sobriety. I guess
                     that's the other thing, is your goal going to be sobriety? Was your relationship ever
                     sobriety even before that? So kind of scaling back, taking a mental snapshot of where
                     you were perhaps in 2019 and was that okay? Maybe shoot for that again. If you've
                     decided that the pandemic and everything because of it has opened your eyes to the
                     fact that maybe you had a problem and it just got worse, then you could absolutely
                     use it as a time for change, a potential opportunity for change. There's absolutely
                     no time like the present then to do change. There's no magical day you have to wait
                     for. Any day that you decide to live healthier, you can absolutely start that day.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
We already talked about weight, alcohol. The last big thing that the pandemic has
                     impacted is stress. Now, the data says four in 10 Americans are experiencing symptoms
                     of anxiety or depression or stress, compared to about one out of 10 before. I don't
                     know about you guys, I feel like this number should be a lot higher, like 10 out of
                     10, because, I mean, it has really wreaked havoc in everybody's lives. I think the
                     more disturbing, startling and sad thing is about one in four young adults said that
                     they had had thoughts of killing themselves during this pandemic and that's according
                     to the CDC and that's reflected in their data, which shows that the hardest hit with
                     mental health problems because of the pandemic are youth and young adults, women,
                     minorities and people with preexisting mental health issues.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
If anything, it has the benefit of shining a light on these populations that they
                     need extra support, but you definitely come through the media and you see other reports
                     of many youth who end their lives just because of the social isolation and other factors
                     related to it. It's definitely a problem and depression rates have tripled and especially
                     if you're an essential worker. One in four essential workers have been diagnosed with
                     a mental health disorder over this past year. If you think about all of the different
                     waves of this pandemic, the first wave was the acute illness where everybody was on
                     lockdown and the emergency rooms were overflowing all the time. The second wave, third
                     wave, we're now in about that time. These essential workers, I mean, you guys are
                     amazing and have put up with so much. It's like when you're a Superman or superwoman,
                     you just go, go, go, go, go and at some point you're going to hit that wall and you're
                     going to break.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
I think the first thing is you got to take care of yourself, especially if you are
                     an essential worker and you got to take care of yourself so that you can be there
                     for your family or whoever and then you can be there for your job. Taking care of
                     yourself, whether that's self care, taking vacations, taking time away or going for
                     a run, probably not binging on chips and drinking alcohol, but whatever you got to
                     do to maintain your healthy coping mechanisms to get through this is going to be good.
                     The data from the pandemics from history show that it's going to take at least three
                     years, really, for us to recover on this emotional side of things. Studies after the
                     swine flu and Ebola show that even up to three years after quarantine, there were
                     higher rates of PTSD, depression, the sense of detachment, which clinically is most
                     often associated with PTSD, post traumatic stress disorder, and then guilt, unexplained,
                     physical symptoms, pain, fatigue, alcohol, substance use disorders, death from violence,
                     child abuse, domestic violence, and then agoraphobia, which comes from the Latin meaning
                     fear of the public square.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
That's an anxiety disorder where essentially your brain says, "Oh, this is an open
                     space. That's super dangerous." You get panic attacks whenever you're in any kind
                     of an open space, like a public transportation, a shopping center. I think it's funny
                     now. We look at the TV shows and people aren't wearing their masks and we low key
                     freak out. It's like, "Their faces are so naked. I can't even watch the show anymore.
                     It makes me so uncomfortable." Agoraphobia is almost like a consequence of trying
                     to do good and listen. It is important, though, this next phase of life in 2021, as
                     we move into 2022 then also, that we take it slow, but we do continue to move out
                     because it is too dangerous for your mental health to remain stuck in fear mode. That's
                     really what all of last year was. Fear, panic.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Looking at the studies from survivors from hurricane Katrina, it took them about 13
                     years before they felt emotionally recovered from everything that had happened. I
                     mean, it'll happen, it just takes a lot of work and it takes time. The biggest thing
                     is you got to make sure while that time is going on that you're doing what you need
                     to do to take care of yourself and your family. Now, sleep. Let's talk about that.
                     That definitely falls into stress. About two thirds of Americans said that their sleep
                     habits changed. About a third slept more, a third slept less during this pandemic
                     time over the past year. Again, I think it's a common theme here. For if you're a
                     parent you were affected even more. 77% of moms, 87% of dads had sleep changes that
                     they did not want. That's a huge thing.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
I myself have two kids school age and the transition to virtual school, while also
                     expecting to be a physician, while also expecting to help educate our future physicians
                     and whatnot, I mean, it was impossible. The whole theory of, "I'm going to do the
                     best that I can. I'm going to sleep as much as I can," sleep is absolutely one of
                     the core pillars of health. Without it, your brain just doesn't work. If you have
                     untreated sleep apnea, you are functioning as if you were intoxicated. That's what
                     the data says. Sleep is no joke at all. If you've noticed that your sleep's off from
                     the pandemic, definitely take a look at that, see what's going on. Alcohol, to bring
                     that back into the mix. One drink of alcohol can affect your sleep for three nights,
                     making it not as deep. You don't reach those non-REM stages of sleep that are supposed
                     to be restorative. Yeah. Okay. Fine, it'll make you sleep and help you fall asleep,
                     but it's crappy sleep. What you're left with is feeling tired the next day. I definitely
                     think those two are related, but so take a look at your sleep, see what's going on.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Are you still trying to do too much and cram too much into your day, especially if
                     your kids are still in virtual school and you're hybrid or back in real work? There's
                     so many factors. But without sleep, your brain will fall apart. So without a doubt,
                     do what you can to get the sleep under control. Check in with your doctor to see if
                     there's anything else that can go on. With that average amount of weight gain, you
                     might have sleep apnea or some other conditions that can affect sleep too. Other stress-related
                     things that have definitely increased during this time. For example, dentists. They
                     found increases in tooth fractures and pain from teeth grinding. Dermatologists have
                     been treating people more for hair loss. The number of prescriptions that pharmacists
                     have filled for medications related to anxiety, depression, insomnia just skyrocketed
                     last year and documented increased emergency room visits for suicide attempts, overdoses,
                     relapses of psychiatric illness and violence otherwise.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Think about this too. If you were scheduled for your colonoscopy or mammogram, and
                     a lot of outpatient centers were closed down and they started to open back up, but
                     you're trying to catch up and live life. What the study shows about almost half, 47%
                     of American adults have delayed or canceled healthcare services. That's what they're
                     calling the fourth wave are these higher rates of cancer and other things that if
                     you just maintain your healthcare and catch it early, you get treatments. But without
                     that, things fall by the wayside until it's too late. If you've been postponing that
                     mammogram or those other kinds of routine things, man, get that back on track because
                     if something has happened, you want to catch it as soon as you can. With parents,
                     I've mentioned a few times that overall parent's health have been impacted even more
                     than the average American. The studies show that about 48% of parents said that their
                     stress levels had increased, 62% if your kid was in remote learning and 75% said that
                     they could have used more emotional support. About a quarter were diagnosed with a
                     mental health disorder.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
So a quarter, that's pretty comparable to what I was saying about essential workers.
                     If you're a parent, take a breath, pat yourself on the back. If you're alive and your
                     kids are alive at this moment in time, we'll call it a win. Kids are amazingly resilient
                     and what they really need from a parent during this is a source of optimism and stability.
                     That's, at this moment, what the general recommendation is in terms of parenting is
                     you want to nurture that optimism for the future. There's, of course, silver linings
                     from the stress of this pandemic. Initially, a lot of it was like, "Oh my gosh, I
                     finally had a family dinner for the first time in four years," or, "I didn't have
                     to take my kid to three different sports teams during the week." An article published
                     out of the British Journal of Psychiatry found that about 88% had experienced what
                     they called post-traumatic growth, meaning they learned something positive even out
                     of it.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
About 48% found that they appreciated their family more. 22% appreciated that the
                     slowdown had made them reconsider what's important. You can't see people every day.
                     You don't get to engage in the chit-chat, so you actually have to plan and expend
                     energy to really stay connected with the people that you want. For holidays, this
                     had come up too. Most holidays, it's not really the most stress-free time for people.
                     You're around family, there's always emotional baggage. Maybe you feel like you're
                     being talked to like a kid again. It's a mixed bag. One of the benefits actually was
                     that, yes, those who have wonderful, healthy relationships with their families, they
                     found ways to still celebrate.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
But for those who didn't or it was just a little too much right now because of all
                     the other stuff, it was nice. It was quiet. It was stress-free. You learn about yourself,
                     about what you want for your family and what kind of things are good for your sanity
                     and mental health for the future. That's another thing is any silver lining that you've
                     discovered to keep that moving on. Maybe you don't need to be at work 12 hours a day
                     and maybe just stick with the regular eight or nine. Go home, have that family dinner
                     or whatever it might be. The other thing is with COVID, we all probably know someone
                     who's been affected by, either had it or a family member, and we don't really know
                     what the aftermath of that is going to be... What the aftermath. About one in 10 people
                     will continue to struggle for weeks or months after a COVID infection.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Then it becomes kind of like you're managing a chronic condition, so what we don't
                     know is how long that will last for, what the actual functional impairment will be.
                     A lot of times what we're seeing now is that people who have had a COVID infection,
                     they are having symptoms afterwards. Well, it's kind of like a chronic fatigue syndrome,
                     what it used to be known as, so a lot of mental fogging and cognitive difficulties.
                     We're going to be learning a lot more about that. Additionally, if you have been affected
                     personally with COVID. Recent data says that for every one person that dies of COVID,
                     it leaves nine others grieving for their loss. There's definitely a lot of things
                     as we move into this next phase of our life, as we try to slowly figure out what life
                     even is, what our new normal is going to be, that we have to do. We have to identify
                     and actively put a plan in place.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
If you're feeling stressed, number one, I'd say take a deep breath, slow breath. In
                     terms of deep breathing, the best is to exhale for one beat longer than your inhale.
                     Inhale for one, two, three. Exhale for one, two, three, four. On a neurochemical level,
                     what that does is it resets the oxygen carbon dioxide balance, which can literally
                     decrease sensations of panic. So just kind of take a breath, slow, deep breath. Outside
                     of that, figure out what things can you control versus what things can you not control.
                     The things that you can control are your own safety issues, so continuing to wear
                     masks, socially distance as you should, washing your hands, keeping surfaces wiped
                     down, those sorts of things. You can control that. You can advocate for yourself and
                     your family and your needs. Maintain your self-care regimens.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Those are probably the biggest ones. And whatever you do, take it slowly. As you rebuild
                     relationships, talking about how this whole time, one of the silver linings is priorities.
                     It doesn't necessarily mean that people that may have dropped from your life weren't
                     a priority, but it's kind of like if you feel like you're drowning, you're not really
                     thinking about making it to that next island, you're just thinking about literally
                     not drowning. So as you figure out which relationships you do want to rebuild, then
                     reach out, start that process. You also want to look out for opportunities. With the
                     pandemic, there's been so much financial impact with that. So yes, that is absolutely
                     horrible, but it is also potentially an opportunity. Sometimes we get kind of afraid
                     and we get stuck and afraid of change.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
If you don't have any other option, you can absolutely look at this as an opportunity
                     for change and growth. Let go of what you can't control. You can't control if other
                     people are wearing their mask. You can't control what other people are doing with
                     their families. To some extent, you have to let go of that and reflect on your experience.
                     So again, whatever you did learn about yourself and family, keep that going. For me,
                     we probably played board games. I went through my entire stash of board games, and
                     I have a lot of board games, every single week. We went over all of them. Now, am
                     I going to keep that pace up? No. Did we keep that pace up? No, but it did reaffirm,
                     "You know what? I do enjoy board games." We do make sure about once a month that we
                     play something fun together as a family.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
Whereas before, I can't even recall the last time, as a family, we had really sat
                     down to do that. If you are having some difficulties, seek help early. Really, that
                     is the key. There's a lot of bad things that can happen, either job loss, decreased
                     productivity, damaged relationships, getting fired from work. I mean, so many things
                     can happen if you are feeling depressed and anxious and not able to handle it. If
                     you're going to seek help, check in with your primary care doctor first. Sometimes
                     there's an evaluation medically to do, to rule out like thyroid issues or other things
                     like that. Counseling, psychotherapy and sometimes psychiatric medications are required
                     if the symptoms are moderate to severe. Of course, if there's any, any, any sort of
                     thoughts of death or dying, taking your life or anybody else's, those would be an
                     emergency and I would say go to emergency room if those kinds of things were coming
                     up.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
But it's really easy to get care in some ways, it's still hard in others. On the clinician
                     side, on the mental health side, in the world of medicine, I think that the biggest
                     silver lining with all of this is tele-health and it is absolutely accessible now.
                     That has been really good. You have increased access to be able to get some help.
                     Lastly, this will pass. This will absolutely pass. In the meantime, I think what we
                     can do is just learn and grow. We just have to be alive to make it happen. When I
                     talk about optimism for the future, I mean several things by that. In our children,
                     we want to instill in them that life happens and what's important is how we adapt
                     to it and what we learn and grow from it. It's important on that factor for them.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
For us, it's similar, but as an adult, we know more about ourselves and have more
                     control over things. For many of us, that means work-life balance has been absolutely
                     changed because of the pandemic and it may be higher up on your priority list of when
                     you're working and things like that or the level of support you got from your employer.
                     Those things become way more obvious... have become way more obvious during this pandemic,
                     so just learning from that. As a healthcare provider, whether you're working in an
                     emergency room or in an outpatient clinic, the biggest things to be optimistic there
                     are the fact that, if anything, it has exposed difficulties that we have and that
                     we can learn from and implement better measures for the future. That's probably the
                     biggest area there.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
In medicine, we're always looking at, if something goes wrong, how can we fix it?
                     What is at the root cause of this? We analyze it and come up with measures so that
                     it doesn't happen again. That plus the the boom of tele-health has been absolutely
                     amazing. Sometimes people may also struggle and realizing the importance of reaching
                     out for help. I mean, FMLA exists for a reason if you need it from your employer.
                     They have shown that untreated depression and anxiety costs productivity at work,
                     so you really got to take care of yourself. If your employer really is invested, then
                     they're going to let you take care of yourself so that you can then take care of the
                     business needs. I think optimism is a necessity. Some people inherently can do it
                     better than others and it requires more work, but little by little, step by step,
                     day by day, I think it's something that we can all move towards.
Dr. Victoria Kelly:
If you're struggling, besides reaching out to your primary care doctor, finding a
                     therapist or AA meetings, things like that, other resources, there's a crisis text
                     line. If you text T-A-L-K, talk, to 741741. There's a disaster distress helpline,
                     1-800-985-5990. The National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, 1-800-273-8255, and Mental
                     Health America has resources on their website also. There's a lot of ways that you
                     can reach out for help, but please do if you need it.
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